Jan 09
Transport Canada - !? - Old Japanese Cars OK!?????
Transport Canada does it again! Did you know that many Canadians are now importing older Japanese Cars from 1990.
Canadian importation rules allow importing Japanese cars, but they have to be 15-years-old or older.
. These small cars must really be safe (??) for our roads and we expect they meet all our gas guzziling and pollution standards. But according to the rules our Government doesn’t care!!! We can import them to our hearts content! Cuba here we come!
- http://www.japanoid.com/
- We are not suggesting anything is wrong here!??
- As a taxpayer think of how much $$$$$$$ Canadians are paying for the RIV and all the people at Transport Canada.
- They make all the rules and protect Canadians from all the 2008 American “Market” Automobiles. Unless of course you are an American Citizen living in Canada! ( If it meets the U.S. Code you are ok to drive in Canada!)
- Please don’t forget to vote in our Poll . If you haven’t yet please register on our forum and vote! Thanks!
January 9th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Its seems like the Gouvernment is trying to create employment by bringing all these old cars to Canada.
January 9th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
Yeah. Employment for the emergency services!!!!!!!
January 9th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
I,ve seen a few of them in town and the are RIGHT HAND drive. And I need daytime running lights
January 9th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
It’s madness. I truly wish Mr. Cannon et al would read this web site. They’d soon realise what chumps we’re all being made to look like. I think example like this would make perfect fodder for a marketing campaign! I’m in for a few hundred $$.
I think we need to have a simple yes/no vote as to who, and how much, we’re prepared to contribute towards adverts in any papers etc. that will accept our money. A couple of well worded ads would, I believe, cause many people to sit up and take notice.
January 9th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
I fully support the goals of carswithoutborders in our attempts to obtain fair pricing for all Canadians and keeping the border open. However this attack on older cars concerns me. I believe the 15 year rule applies to all vehicles no matter where they are manufactured. I am pleased to be the owner of a new Honda Ridgeline imported from the US [and only in debt 30,000 instead of 43,000]in spite of TC,RIV,and Honda Motors. My “new” car is an 86 Olds Cutlass RWD Supreme, My Sunday drivers are a 1970 Cutlass convertible and a 1949 Willys Jeepster. If we want cars inadmissable because they are old and “unsafe” can we single out the Japanese models. This could be the first step for our goverment to legislate older cars off the road. Would anybody like to take a 1949 model vehicle thru Riv and bring it up to 2008 TC specs. The Jeepster doesn’t even have door locks never mind an immobilizer. [Old cars still have to pass a provincial goverment safety before they can be registered]. My point is for ever person trying to import a newer vehicle there are hundreds of old vehicle enthusiasts who believe the goverment has no place in our bedrooms or garages and shops
January 10th, 2008 at 12:22 am
Please don’t attack the importation of old cars. Most of them are for hobby and collector purposes. We need to concentrate on the problems that we are having with importing the newer cars and keep the pressure up on the government to fix that, not give them the idea that they should start causing more problems for people, by going after older cars. The government is so far, trying to stop Canadians from importing new and late model used cars, in order to please the manufacturers. The so called safety standards, that they use, as excuses, are just that,…excuses and nothing more. They are absolutely not, safety related standards. They are, what the Canada, U.S. Free Trade Agreement, of 1988 refers to as, quote..
“Standards Related Barriers To Trade”. They are barriers, deliberately erected by Transport Canada, in response to tremendous pressure that has been applied to bureaucrats, officials, and quite possibly, even the current and former Ministers of Transport, going back many years, by the car manufacturers, in order to protect markets and hold up price differentials. This is collusion, to deny market access, to restrict trade and to eliminate competition and it is a crime, punishable by severe fines and jail time. I again appeal to everyone who is interested in this matter, to strongly consider, the merits of a public inquiry, in order to expose and put a stop to the corruption that has enabled this situation to gradually evolve and to pressure the government, through various legal means, one of which could be a law suit against the Minister of Transport and RIV, in order to force them to give us, the free trade that we are entitled to. I am a small independent auto dealer in B.C. My livelihood is being adversely affected by all of this. My trading territory, since 1968, has historically been, all of North America, with customers from coast to coast, on both sides of the border. The behavior of Transport Canada and RIV is seriously affecting my ability to trade, with long time customers and is forcing me, to seriously consider, either opening a branch operation, in Washington State, or even shutting down the main Canadian retail operation, completely, as it is becoming more and more difficult to buy from, or sell to customers on both sides of the border, due to all the nonsense that we are being subjected to. When customers come to us to ask for help, importing, or exporting, either into Canada, or from Canada, we have to charge them a very significant fee, for dealing with the “nonsense”, due to the tremendous amount of time that it takes, to help someone import a vehicle. We refer to it as the “nonsense”, because, that is exactly what it is, so when a customer inquires, we say, Yes SIR, that will be $XXXX.XX for dealing with the “nonsense”, plus the duty, if any, plus GST, plus $100.00 A.C. excise tax, plus the customs brokers fees, plus GST. It is all nonsense. At the moment the situation is too unpredictable, for us to even try to order certain vehicles, for customers and this is, of course, exactly what the manufacturers want. Canadians must really start asking serious questions about the secret deals, the behind the scenes agreements, the influence and the payoffs that are the very things that so often lead to exactly what we have. It is, in this case, a government ministry corrupted, for the benefit of, in this case, the enormous benefit of, a foreign owned, foreign controlled multibillion dollar industry. Can we stop it, ??? We have to try. I am trying to find a moment, to get proper professional legal advise on this disgraceful circumstance. I hope to have something tangible to contribute, soon. If others will do the same, we may be able to ACHIEVE A SIGNIFICANT RESULT. The more facts and knowledge that we amass, toward a common goal, the easier it will be to succeed. Numerous writers to this website, have already displayed an impressive understanding of the law, with respect to Transport Canada and the legislation that it illegally imposes on us. If a government is dishonest, has no credibility and has lost the trust of it’s people, then it’s laws are no longer respected and it is easy for people to consider, such laws to be “illegal” and therefore invalid. WE ARE AT THAT POINT, ALREADY.
In the meantime, can anyone find out, what contracts, if any, Livingston International, or any company closely associated with Livingston, has with the manufacturers, ??? Does Livingston act as a customs broker, for any of the car companies ??? I am going to start asking questions, about this. This is also, the very kind of information, that a public inquiry should be going after. We have to make a start somewhere.
January 10th, 2008 at 2:08 am
I have just started to go through google and this is what came up right away. I am going to keep digging.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2001_July_24/ai_76724871
TORONTO–(BUSINESS WIRE)–July 24, 2001
Livingston International Inc. today announced that it has inked a deal with Vastera, Inc. (Nasdaq:VAST), the leading provider of solutions for Global Trade Management, to be the U.S. - Canadian border customs clearance processor for Ford Motor Company (NYSE:F) and Visteon Corporation (NYSE:VC).
As a part of its global trade managed services contract with Ford and Visteon, Vastera has responsibility for selecting and managing Ford’s and Visteon’s extended global trade partners across North America, including customs brokers. After an exhaustive analysis of service providers, Vastera selected Livingston for the U.S. - Canadian border.
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“We work well together because Livingston and Vastera are both committed to high standards of client service and efficiency,” said Peter Luit, CEO of Livingston International. “We are creating an exciting alliance that will enable us to manage Ford’s and Visteon’s customs operations more cost-effectively.”
Livingston will facilitate Ford’s and Visteon’s customs clearance for automotive parts, sub assemblies and finished vehicles that move across the U.S.-Canada border. Livingston’s specific responsibilities will include the release of goods, coordination of inspections, completion of entry summaries and maintenance of entry information for audit purposes.
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January 10th, 2008 at 2:16 am
So, we now have proof, that Livingston International, the company that owns the RIV, entered into a major contract, to provide customs clearance services for Ford.
Now, to try to find out about the other car companies.
January 10th, 2008 at 2:44 am
This appears to be a customs seminar, hosted by Honda, with participation, by Chrysler, Ford, General Motors and LIVINGSTON INTERNATIONAL https://www.aiag.org/scriptcontent/event_presentations/files/E7CUSTOMSP/WELCOME_final.pdf
January 10th, 2008 at 2:49 am
I just found this
http://www.jruslaw.com/classactions/
January 10th, 2008 at 9:25 am
The reason for the post was of course to generate feedback and ideas. The acceptance of older cars, as seen in this post, goes one step further in proving that Transport Canada and the RIV appear to be useless organizations, determined to work against the Canadian Public. They develop standards that are not common, unworkable and not-harmonized with our trading/living partners. They have yet to return our e-mails requesting follow-ups to the sessions we particiapted in last December. We have yet to hear from them on any numbers released for December. Then they declare, in some cases, cars must meet Provincial inspections, rules and laws that they have nothing to do with. Harper was elected to simplify and reduce govenment intervention. The American Safety Standards ( even including TPMS - Tire Presssure Monitoring) should be good enough. Or worse case just go away and let each Province handle whatever they see fit.
January 10th, 2008 at 11:13 am
AMEN !!!!
January 10th, 2008 at 11:25 am
I know there is talk of changing it from 15 to 25 years… by none less then the car manufacturing lobbying groups! This means if you want to import those vehicles, they will require more hoops to jump through. I see this change as a way for them to protect their markets yet again by blocking used vehicle imports. I think rather then impose a date, make it crystal clear that no right hand drives allowed. Problem solved. The whole problem with this situation is that none of it is plain and clear. Another great rule would be to harmonize the the US vehicles as they are selling the exact same one off the lots in Canada. This way it takes the auto manufacturers out of making the decision on admissibility.
January 11th, 2008 at 7:53 am
I’m not sure I agree with excluding right-hand-drive vehicles because this would also target some quite exotic machines which I believe we should encourage to grace our roads. I’m thinking of some of the British classics such as MGs, Triumphs, Rolls Royce, Bently, Lotus, Aston Martin etc. etc. Of course, how can one discriminate between classics versus non-classics???
January 11th, 2008 at 10:29 am
Standards should not be imposed on older model vehicles. If there is particular concern, with regard to right hand drives, the provinces can, with their own motor vehicle regulations, which they already have, restrict their use, to that of collector license plates, which prevent vehicles being driven to school or to work, or for business. Such vehicles are sometimes needed by persons who deliver mail and or, are involved in roadside pickup and delivery, so there are circumstances where right hand drives are acceptable. Lets stick to the main concern of this wonderful website, which I believe is “standards related barriers to trade”, deliberately erected by the Minister of Transport and the bureaucrats at Transport Canada, in order to help the foreign owned car companies to make enormous extra profits from selling to trapped Canadians, the vehicles that our government allows these companies to import into Canada. Remember that many of these vehicles are not built in Canada. At the courtesy of our government and as a result of the trade agreements that our government has entered into, on our behalf, these multinational corporations import these vehicles, in to Canada, from all over the world. Through our elected representatives, we have allowed these corporations to import these vehicles onto our soil. What we must reject and refuse to accept, is the government’s deceitful practices, that are preventing us, from importing these same vehicles, ourselves and are leaving us, as hostages, to outrageous price and market manipulations, by the manufacturers.
January 11th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
So we know now that its not the RIV,or Transport Canada that regulates the imports but the actual Car Manufactures…….So in other words their cars built elsewhere for the USA are not safe to drive in Canada…….I think we should start getting worried here!!